Free Shipping on Most Orders
Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible

For most people, the words "car audio" conjure up an image of a big SUV blasting you with waves of bass at a stoplight. But car audio systems aren't all about bass - they come in as many shapes and sizes as home audio systems. To the car audio fan, each new car offers the challenge of how to fit great sound into a puzzle consisting of a dash opening, factory speaker configurations, and available cargo space.

On the other side of the coin, I've had many people ask me "Why in the world would you spend good money to replace a factory system that sounds perfectly fine?" My job at Crutchfield opened my eyes and ears to the world of car audio. I spent many years as a touring musician, and I used to rely on my home system for serious music listening. But, with a family and a 9-to-5 job, things change - now my hour-long commute has become my music listening time.

When I first arrived at Crutchfield, I made my first foray into car audio by installing some new speakers in my car so I could have decent sound on my way to work. The speakers made a big difference, so I replaced my factory radio with an aftermarket stereo and was thrilled with the results. Then I discovered what a subwoofer would do, and I was completely hooked.

Why replace a factory system? It's simple - most factory systems just don't sound that great. Don't get me wrong - I've heard some good ones. But the majority are designed to offer decent sound at a certain price point, and that means that the manufacturer will cut corners wherever possible. To my ears, most factory systems, including many premium setups, sound dull, boomy, and unfocused.

Premium system blues
Recently, I bought a sweet 2001 Chrysler Sebring convertible, and soon discovered that its Infinity system wasn't going to cut it. With the top down, I just couldn't get the system up loud enough to get the bass I wanted without distortion. A new receiver helped to clean up the sound a little, but I still found myself listening to sports radio and NPR instead of CDs because my ears were not happy with the sound of the music. I reasoned that I had saved a lot of cash by not buying a brand new car, so I decided to go for a really good sound system.

Every car presents its own set of problems for building a system. With a convertible, your enemy is road noise. Top up or top down, you hear lots of wind and road noise, and that noise makes your bass sound muddy and kills most of your midrange information. A system that sounds fine when you're sitting in your driveway becomes tinny and brash when you hit 55 with the top down.

System for a top down
To build a system for a convertible, you need lots of clean power, strong midrange delivery, and a subwoofer for good bass definition. My Sebring has room for a 2" tall receiver in the dash, and features 3-1/2" speakers in the dash along with 6"x9" speakers in front doors and rear side panels. One other factor - I need the Sebring's small trunk to carry guitars and other music gear on weekends, so I didn't want to put a subwoofer back there. I checked out my options in Crutchfield's Outfit My Car shopping tool, then talked things over with a couple of car audio aces here. Here's what we came up with.

Eclipse CD7200 mk II, Cd Receiver

The source
I picked Eclipse's CD7200 mk II CD receiver to drive the system, because it offered several big advantages. First, a high-quality digital-to-analog converter and 8-volt low-impedance preamp outputs send an extremely strong signal to your outboard amps with minimal noise. Second, Eclipse designed the CD7200 strictly for an amplified system - there's no built-in amplifier to introduce noise into your system. Third, Eclipse wrapped the receiver in a copper sheath to keep noise out.

I also liked the CD7200 for its amazing array of sonic tools. Even though I would be using an outboard equalizer/crossover to tune my system, the Eclipse includes a versatile equalizer, time alignment capability, and some other sonic tools, all of which can be accessed quickly without having to wade through a complex menu. Plus, you can add satellite radio, iPod control, and CD changers if you're in the mood.

Last of all, this receiver features built-in Bluetooth communication, so I can answer phone calls in the car without having to fumble around for my phone. ThBoston Acoustics SX95 speakersat counts for a lot.

Speaker system
Usually, I prefer the sound of component speakers, because a separate tweeter placed in the right spot really opens up the sound. I found several fine 6-1/2" component systems that would fit in my Sebring, but I've learned through experience that the high frequencies are not the problem in a convertible. The devil's in the midrange details, so I elected to keep as much cone area as possible by using 3-1/2" coaxial speakers in the dash and a set of 6"x9"s in the doors. 

Boston Acoustics S35 3-1/2" 2-way Speakers

I'd heard Boston Acoustics speakers in a friend's car, and thought they'd be a good choice. They seemed to tolerate lots of power and their tweeters really sounded nice at high levels. The Boston S35 3-1/2" speakers would fit into my dash just fine, while the SX95 6"x9"s were just a shade too deep for my doors, a problem I thought we could deal with.

To make things easy, I was ready to install a second set of Boston 6"x9"s in my rear side panels, thinking that four 6"x9"s would produce enough bass for me. But my friend Jeff thought there was enough room back there for a pair of 8" subwoofers. Keeping with the theme, Boston's G108-4 subwoofer seemed like a good candidate - they'd work without an enclosure, they're only 4-1/4" deep, and they handle up to 200 watts.

Power up
Boston Acoustics GT-50 5-channel ampI didn't want to deal with multiple amplifiers, so I checked out some 5-channel amplifiers to power the system. Boston's GT-50 amplifier seemed like a good match with 4 channels of 55 watts RMS to power the front and rear speakers and a 400-watt mono section - a perfect match for the two 8" subs. It's not a small amp, but at only 2-1/4" high and less than 9" deep, I knew it could live in the recessed area way in the back of my trunk where I can't fit guitars anyway. Plus, as a lifetime Red Sox fan, it made me happy that it would be Boston all the way around.

Go all the way
With every system I've owned, I've noticed problem areas in the car's acoustics that I couldn't fix with the tone controls in the head unit or by adjusting crossover points on the amp. To make sure I wouldn't have that problem with this system, I chose AudioControl's DQXS 6-channel digital equalizer, an unassuming little box that packs an awesome amount of sound processing power.  AudioControl DQXS Digital EQ

The DQXS features 6-channel inputs (front, rear, sub) and 8-channel outputs (front high-pass, front low-pass, rear high-pass, and sub), along with an 8-channel crossover, comprehensive equalization for front, rear, and subwoofer outputs, and six 2-band parametric EQs, all accessed through its menu screen. I really like being able to pinpoint the exact crossover points on the DQXS's readout, as opposed to estimating with the frequency sweep knob found on most amplifiers.

With this unit, I'd be able to set all crossover points for the different speakers and subs, equalize the small 3-1/2" dash speakers and the big 6"x9"s in the doors separately, and, best of all, tune the bass exactly the way I wanted it. It sounds like overkill, but what's point of installing all this cool equipment without being able to nail the sound you want?

The last piece
A home speaker sounds good because its wooden front panel is a neutral platform that doesn't color the sound in any way. A car's body panels, however, were not designed for high-performance car speakers. When you mount a speaker or sub on relatively thin metal, two things happen. First, the metal flexes and resonates as the music plays, and that really hurts your speaker's accuracy. Second, the vibrating metal causes trim pieces and other plastic parts to shake and buzz as you turn the volume up, and that's just annoying.

DYNAMAT 10435 XTREME DOOR KIT

That's why it's so important to use Dynamat or some other sound-damping material in a high-performance car audio system. Attach Dynamat to the metal panel that holds your speaker or sub, and it kills vibration and resonance, giving your speaker a more stable platform for better accuracy. And the less that your car body vibrates, the less that the parts attached to it will rattle and buzz.

I picked Dynamat Xtreme for my speaker and sub locations because it's thinner and lighter than standard Dynamat, and its flexibility makes it easier to install in hard-to-reach places. Two 8" subs will shake those rear side panels like crazy so it'll be important to cover as much of that metal as possible with Dynamat.

 

 

Check out Part 2: Installing an audio system in a convertible, and watch the video "High Quality Sound in a Convertible."



Posted Fri, May 1 2009 2:23 PM by Charlie

Comments

Jay Black wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Thu, May 7 2009 6:33 PM

I was noticed that you installed the two 8" subs in the rear speaker location. I have a '92 Ford Bronco and would love to do the same because the top comes off. Did you make a box or does crutchfield offer conversion plates for them to mount?  

Lloyd Black wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Thu, May 7 2009 6:55 PM

I would like to do the same and install 8" subs in the rear speaker space. How did you do it.

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Fri, May 8 2009 11:45 AM

Hi. Glad to see you both were checking out my car. As you'll see in the next installment, it's my buddy Jeff who figured out how to get those subs in there. Those Boston subs can be used in free-air applications, so all he did was make some baffle boards out of 1" MDF, install the subs in the boards, then screw the boards into the side panel metal. That lifted them out enough so they'd fit in my Chrysler.

The sub magnets were just a shade too big to fit where the 6x9 magnets went before, so we enlarged the holes a little with a power jig saw. We could have avoided that by using subs with smaller magnets or some 6x9 woofers, but I really wanted to go with the Bostons.

Part 2 of this blog will be about the installation, Part 3 about setting crossover points and gain structure, and Part 4 about tuning up the car with a real time analyzer. Plus, we'll have a video about this installation on the site before the month is out.

You can definitely do something like this in any vehicle that has larger back speakers, whether you pick a sub that fits exactly (like a 6-1/2" sub) or make an adapter that lifts it up so it fits in the opening.

Thanks for your interest and let me know if you have more questions.  Charlie

Bill Henderson wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Tue, Jun 2 2009 12:20 AM

Charlie,

  Wish I would have come across this blog sooner...it isn't easy finding speakers that fit into the '01 Sebring. Right now I've got a mix of Infiniti Kappa 6X9's in the back and some 6X9 shallow mount pioneer's in the front. Problem is now I have an impedance mismatch (the Kappa's are 2 ohm, while the pioneer's are 4 ohm).

  I'm looking for your next installment on how you guys installed everything. I'm ready to start over, so update as soon as you can!

Thanks,

Bill

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Tue, Jun 2 2009 9:19 AM

Hey Bill:  Glad to hear from a fellow Sebring fan. All four installments are actually published now,and  you'll find links at the end of each post. I wouldn't think that the Kappa's impedance rating should cause you problems, except maybe giving you a little more volume. What's the problem that you're hearing? Charlie

P Angelo wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Tue, Jun 2 2009 8:12 PM

I never heard a 6 x9 that sounded musically accurate. But they do play loud and I can see their application in an open vehicle. Does the audio control processor smooth things out?

I am having difficulty taming the vibrations of the plastic door panels. In particular, I run dedicated mid bass drivers in rear doors (with sub in trunk). There are plenty of products to dampen sheet metal. But what can we do to dampen the vibrations of the plastic door panels?

Is this a problem with your free air subs?

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Wed, Jun 3 2009 4:32 PM

Well, I was a little worried about using coaxials instead of separates. And, before we used the AudioControl to flatten things out, I was hearing a couple of hot spots in the bass and the upper mids. Once we tuned the car, that all went away. I'm really impressed by how good those Boston coaxs sound. I don't hear door speakers and dash speakers, I just hear everything in front of me, and it sounds dead accurate to me.

Yes, those door panels were driving me crazy before I put this system in. The installers asked me if I had any buzzing problems and I showed them. They pulled the panels, and shot the back sides full of this black, tar-like substance they called "Dum Dum." They also shot some in the little crack between the fake wood piece and the panel itself. You can use any kind of gummy substance for that as long as it stays pliant and doesn't harden all the way. We also Dynamatted the doors and rear panels like crazy, inside and outside on those rear side panels, and I'm sure that helps. But I don't have a problem any more at all, and I'm playing reggae music LOUD on a regular basis.

Hope it works for you.

Coleman Hayes wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Jun 15 2009 7:26 AM

Hey

Why not help us Jeep Wrangler owners out by giving us some suggestions of how to improve our sound?  Jeeps have always been tough to make sound good because of the flimsy tops and excessive road nois.

And the size and location of spearkers is nuts too.  The rollbar mounted speaker enclosues that call for shallow 6 3/4" speakers and the dash mounted mounted, knee level speakers also take 6 3/4' in speakers as well but have to be mounted in to those plastic boxes.  Plus there is limited concelaed cargo space and not much area under the seats for amps or subs.

A little Help from Crutchefield would be nice to hear.

Robb wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Jun 15 2009 8:53 AM

When I saw this, I was excited  by the possibility of working out the bugs in my 92 Trans Am convertible's sound system. However when I went to the Outfit my car link, no convertible was listed.Disappointing.

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Jun 15 2009 11:37 AM

Coleman: We hear from Wrangler owners all the time and, you're right, we need to get some suggestions out there. It's next on our list.

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Jun 15 2009 12:04 PM

Robb: Very cool car. It is disappointing that your convertible's not in our database, but it's not a dealbreaker. We show 4x6s in the dash and 6x9s in the back of the hardtop, and I'd wager it's the same in your car. If it doesn't look like it, pull the factory speakers out, measure them, and call an Advisor. He or she can tell you what they are. You got to have room in the trunk for a sub, so with a little legwork you could build a nice system.

Darren wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Tue, Jul 7 2009 1:31 PM

I have an 04 sebring and look forward to changing the stereo soon.  would like to take your lead.  I do use my Ipod more since I live in an area with poor radio reception.  looking for your next blog.

Darren

fred c wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Fri, Aug 7 2009 2:55 AM

i have an 01 sebring, and am interested in some better sound also. you said there is a link to the instalation segment, however i can not find it.

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Fri, Aug 7 2009 9:36 AM

Fred C: You'll find the link to the next installment in the last sentence of each article. There are four posts out there, and I'll try to get in there soon and make those links a little more visible. Do you have the Infinity system or the stock setup? Keep us posted on how you upgrade your system.

Jordan S wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Sun, Aug 16 2009 6:49 PM

Great article Charlie, I love how you actually respond to everyone!

I have a 2000 sebring with an infinity system, and honestly, I'm not very impressed. It's simply OK but it can't handle even a moderate amount of bass well, though otherwise it sounds alright.

I already have a hookup for my ipod and satellite radio... what would you recommend about simply replacing all the stock speakers and doing nothing else? I'm not very mechanically inclined but I could handle that. I know 6x9" speakers aren't gonna be a sub but I really want some better louder bass that doesn't crackle.

Thanks

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Aug 17 2009 10:55 AM

Jordan: I think replacing the stock speakers is a great way to go, and I bet you'll be surprised how much bass you'll get out of four 6"x9"s. The Infinity amp is the weak link in the chain, so I'd recommend choosing relatively efficient speakers (90 dB sensitivity or higher). I'd also recommend using Dynamat on the rear side panels and around the front speaker locations.

If you're on a budget, spend more money on your front speakers because they'll be firing right at your ears. One thing -- there are some size restrictions that make it tough to shop for speakers for the Sebring, but just call one of our Advisors because they have access to extra info in our database. Good luck.  

BobD wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Aug 31 2009 12:47 PM

This article came just at the right time for me. I have a 91 Mustang LX 5.0 with the following:

Head Unit: Sony CDXGT510

Amp: Pioneer GM-4300F 40W x 4

Front Door: Infinity Reference 6022si 6-1/2"/6-3/4" Shallow 2-way Speakers (Amp)

Rear Dash: Infinity Reference 6822cf 5"x7"/6"x8" 2-way Speakers (Amp)

Dash: Infinity Reference 3022cf 3-1/2" 2-way Speakers  (Connected directly to head unit)

I have plenty of power but the sound quality is terrible. It is so peaky that sometimes it feels like fingernails on a blackboard. I now that the head unit needs to be replaced and maybe I need an equalizer but....I wont want to spend another $1200 on the equipment outlined here. Is there a cheaper way to go about this?

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Aug 31 2009 1:40 PM

BobD: Yes, I think there is a cheaper way. Since you want to replace your head unit, you should look into a car stereo that offers the kind of equalization capability you'll need to "flatten out" the sound.in your Mustang.

I can think of two possibilities right off the bat. The Eclipse CD5030 CD receiver ($300) comes with a microphone, and you can use its Auto EQ feature to measure your car's acoustics and make corrections. Another possibility would be an Alpine receiver with the optional IMPRINT tuning package, which would probably start at around $350.

You can bet that a lot of those peaks are coming from your dash speakers, powered by the Sony receiver. The advantage to using a receiver with built-in EQ would be that it will work with all your speakers (including the 3-1/2"s in the dash), while an outboard EQ would only work with the speakers powered by the outboard amp in your system.

You've got nice speakers and a good amp, so I think you'd be happy with the sound once the system's tuned properly.

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Wed, Sep 2 2009 5:23 PM

BobD: One last thing. If you're going to continue to use your head unit to power the dash speakers in your car, you should remove some of the low frequencies from those speakers. Unfortunately, you can't use the crossovers in your receiver, since adjusting the front channels will also affect your door speakers. I’d put some Bass Blockers on them, but you'll have to keep in mind that those Infinity 3-1/2"s are not 4-ohm speakers, and that changes the crossover point. Here's the scoop:

Item number        2 ohms       4 ohms      

127BB150A2      300Hz        150Hz        

127BB300A2      600Hz        300Hz        

127BB600A2      1200Hz      600Hz

127BB800A2      1600Hz      800Hz  

I'd recommend the BB150A2 if you don't play your music too loud. If you like to crank it up, the BB300A2 might be a better pick. They're pretty cheap so you could buy both, and see which one works for you. Just call one our Advisors if this is totally confusing. Hope it works out for you.

Michael S. wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Sun, Sep 27 2009 7:21 AM

I am restoring a 1962 Daimler SP250 convertible and am looking for a stereo system. The car did not come stock with a stereo so there is no place to mount it on the dash. To keep it original, it would be nice to have it out of view. Is there anything that can be done with a remote and a trunk mounted head unit? I use an Ipod in my car a majority of the time. I should be able to get creative with the speaker locations. Also, the body is fiberglass so will I still need to use the dynamat?

Charlie wrote re: Top Down Sound, Part 1: Planning an audio system for a convertible
on Mon, Sep 28 2009 9:25 PM

Michael: Looked up your car, and it’s a beauty. Yes, you could easily put a receiver in the trunk and control it with a wired remote. I would suggest a marine remote, which tends to have a longer cable and can survive the inevitable dousing from a sudden downpour. So I’d look for a receiver with good iPod controls that’s also compatible with a wired remote. You’ll need to install an antenna for AM/FM reception, if that's important to you.

    Beyond that, I would go online for your answers. See if you can find a Daimler owner out there who’s installed a system – he or she is bound to have some advice that might save you some time and effort. Failing that, a Corvette owner could give you good advice about custom installing speakers in a fiberglass body. I hope you’ll send us some photos when it’s all done.  Charlie

Add a Comment

(optional)  
(optional)
(required)  
Remember Me?