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68fiat Posted: Thu, Oct 11 2007 6:04 PM
I just put a Kenwood HU in my 1968 Fiat 500. This car has a tiny 500cc 2 cylinder air cooled motor, has a 12v negative ground electrical system, and has a generator (not alternator). 

Everything works great with the engine off. However, once I start the engine the radio intermittently goes on and off by itself as if the power were cutting in and out. I checked the radio's +12v input leads with a voltmeter and it is getting steady power. With the engine off, the input lead has battery voltage (just above 12v), and with the engine running this steps up to just above 13v and varies somewhat with the engine RPMs. I haven't had any charging problems and the generator's charging light hasn't been coming on. The radio's specifications say it has a working range of 11v to 16v. 

Things I've tried so far (without any change in the symptoms): 

1. Moved the +12v feed for the radio to a free terminal on the fusebox, and then to a direct connect (fused) to the battery. 

2. Added an in-line noise filter to the +12v lead (supposed to remove engine noise/interference from the line). 

3. Checked and re-checked all my connections.

It seems like with the engine running, at certain RPM's the radio is more likely to work. It makes me think the generator or voltage regulator are faulty somehow. I've never had a car with a generator before. Could it be that the radio is not compatible with the generator and requires an alternator? Could it be that generator is putting out enough volts with the engine running, but with the engine running there aren't enough amps to go around? Unfortunately I don't have an ammeter to test that. The HU is just a basic radio/cassette, no high powered amps or anything. Current draw for the radio is rated at 10amps. 

Any tips? 

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TigerHeli replied on Fri, Oct 12 2007 8:41 AM

I asked a co-worker and he said the generator shouldn't make a difference - he suggested it might be a vibration problem, with vibration from the engine causing an intermittent connection, either in the power wire, the ground wire, or internal to the radio.

The other possibility is the voltage briefly dropping below 11 or above 16 and the radio sensing it and shutting off, but that seems unlikely.

That said, I haven't owned any generator cars, so am not totally certain of that.

Could it be that generator is putting out enough volts without the engine running, but with the engine running there aren't enough amps to go around?

Well, the generator doesn't put out any volts without the engine running, but yes, it could theoretically be possible that the ignition system and other accessories take up all the available amps and there isn't enough left with the engine running to supply typically 2-3 Amps (I would think) to the radio.  You said you are getting 13.6 at the radio lead - was that with the radio disconnected?  If so, what do you get across the battery or on the power line to the radio with the radio running.

Check your ground connection also - although that would typically affect the engine off running as well. 

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Don replied on Fri, Oct 12 2007 10:13 AM
I agree with Tiger, you should find out the amperage of your generator and see if you have the reserve power for your sound system. We have a FAQ about alternators and electrical systems that may offer you some insight.

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