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Crutchfield/iBiquity HD Radio complaint

  • "HD Radio Scam or Half Truth"

    "Both Ibiquity and Crutchfield promote HD Radio technology for profit. They claim that HD Radio offers crystal clear sound without crackling and popping sometimes associated with standard analog signals transmissions. What they don't tell you is that HD Radio reception is very limited. If you are not with in relatively close range HD Radio will pop on and off the air. No crackling but what's the advantage? Most of us consumers consider half truths in the market place to be no better than a scam."

    http://tinyurl.com/4nx437

    It's no wonder that these HD Radio clunkers are being returned en-masse!

    HD Radio is a farce! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com

  • This forum tells customers about the range issues - check the other threads in this forum.

    Also, for others, DNFTT!

    2002 Ford Focus JVC KD-A815 Sony CDX-GT410u Sony XT-100HD HD Tuner Stock speakers, no amp, no subs

  • Laughable! So, you expect consumers to go looking on message boards about HD Radio's lousy coverage? iBiquity, manufacturers, and retailers surely don't put that as a disclaimer on the HD Radio boxes, do they? Consumers expect these cheesy HD radios to work right out of the box, as do cheap analog radios, with no special fancy, external antenna setups - hey, FTC!  Also, the whole "CD quality" claim is also B.S., as is all the the exciting HD channels, which won't be free for long, after iNiquity conns the FCC into approving it - dream on, no one will pay for the HD channels. Oh, these encrypted HD channels will render all current HD radios useless, thus requiring another round of HD radio purchases - scam!

    HD Radio is a farce! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com

  • PocketRadio:
    So, you expect consumers to go looking on message boards about HD Radio's lousy coverage?

    Apparently you expect them to, since those are the only posts you have made on these forums. Cool

    iBiquity, manufacturers, and retailers surely don't put that as a disclaimer on the HD Radio boxes, do they?

    Nope, and the less expensive analog HU's don't say on the box that they DON'T have RCA outputs or USB ports, or three-line displays.  It pays to do your research.

    Also, the whole "CD quality" claim is also B.S., as is all the the exciting HD channels,

    Somewhat agree - the quality to me is usually slightly better than analog, but probably not CD quality - and the "slightly better" is only if the station has it's act together on the production side, which many do not.  I think the "exciting HD channels" will vary by market.  In my market there is a greater selection of the semi-poor content available on analog FM.

    which won't be free for long, after iNiquity conns the FCC into approving it - dream on, no one will pay for the HD channels. Oh, these encrypted HD channels will render all current HD radios useless, thus requiring another round of HD radio purchases - scam!

    Hadn't heard about that, but I'll take your word for it.  I really don't see many people paying for encrypted HD channels either, though, especially if they have commercials and with Satellite radio dropping to $7/month for 50 stations.

    You make a bit of an exaggeration, though, with the statement that current HD radios will be useless, they will still work just fine for the non-encrypted channels, and I suspect many of the stations will stay non-encrypted - at least for the HD1 feeds.

    OTOH, if they did all go encrypted, I would remove my HD tuner and listen to analog before I purchased a new HD tuner AND subscribed to an HD station.  I do hope Ibiquity hears THAT!!!

    2002 Ford Focus JVC KD-A815 Sony CDX-GT410u Sony XT-100HD HD Tuner Stock speakers, no amp, no subs

  • "Apparently you expect them to, since those are the only posts you have made on these forums."

    Looks like I am the only one anymore that is giving HD Radio any attention - the initial wave of purchases by radio-geeks and those in the broadcast industry, shilling for HD Radio, is over. The HD Radio message boards are all but dead, and the HD Radio shill crowd has been run off. Crutchfield doesn't even seem to care that I post anti-HD Radio information, or I would have been banned a while ago. No wonder, that Crutchfield and others are dumping HD radios, which consumers have figured out don't even work.

    HD Radio is a farce! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com

  • CF is not dumping HD radios.

    The forum is pretty tolerant of not banning members for expressing their opinions.

    If you want to bump a thread every three weeks or so to say you still don't like HD radio - I don't have any objections - I don't know about the other Mods/Admins.

    2002 Ford Focus JVC KD-A815 Sony CDX-GT410u Sony XT-100HD HD Tuner Stock speakers, no amp, no subs

  • Every new technology has its naysayers, and you're entitled to your opinion. HD Radio is in its infancy right now, and I share your frustration that signal range is limited and not universally available yet.

    I can tell that you read a lot of blogs that don't like HD Radio. What I wonder is, have you ever tried it yourself?

    I have one in my car, and I live in Charlottesville, VA - not exactly a big radio market. I think we have two stations here broadcasting HD Radio signals right now, but that was only one a couple of weeks ago. If I lived in New York City, I'd have tons of stations to choose from. Check out http://www.hdradio.com/find_an_hd_digital_radio_station.php to find out what stations are in your area.

    I wouldn't believe everything you read about HD Radio's demise...remember how many HDTV channels you could get three or four years ago compared to today? More stations are coming online with HD Radio all the time. And if the local stations haven't upgraded yet, any HD radio you have will continue working as a normal radio.

    It's too bad you spend so much of your time and energy railing against HD Radio. From my real-life experience with HD Radio, I say it has some potential - and it's free as long as your radio can tune in the digital signal. You should hear HD radio's AM signal, it's quite amazing compared to analog AM.
     

  • ZakB:
    You should hear HD radio's AM signal, it's quite amazing compared to analog AM.

    I haven't found any HD AM stations, but one of the HD FM stations simulcasts the sister station's AM feed on an HD sub-channel and that provides a nice upgrade - I wish more stations would do that!

    2002 Ford Focus JVC KD-A815 Sony CDX-GT410u Sony XT-100HD HD Tuner Stock speakers, no amp, no subs

  • The other day I went to Richmond, and was listening to an AM station when, out of nowhere, it started coming in crystal-clear. The difference in clarity was remarkable, and all the more so because I got an unsuspected "A/B test."

    I see people slagging off HD Radio a lot, and what it comes down to is that they may be in areas (like me) where HD Radio is slower to take hold. Major urban markets? No complaint, because they have a lot of stations to choose from. 

  • ZakB:
    I see people slagging off HD Radio a lot, and what it comes down to is that they may be in areas (like me) where HD Radio is slower to take hold. Major urban markets? No complaint, because they have a lot of stations to choose from. 

    FWIW - I'm pretty neutral on it.  I got the tuner for $50 after rebate.  I am outside of Atlanta, which is a fairly major market.  Range is problematic (I'm about 35-40 miles from downtown.  The main station I listen to has been having intermittent problems and lately has not been broadcasting in HD.  The other rock station uses a poor codec and sounds better in analog.  Sports are not time-aligned, so I just bought an antenna splitter so I could use the analog tuner on the Sony again.

    That said, the other dozen or so stations in the area have much fewer problems (except for range - if they played music I wanted to listen to, but that's not HD's fault). 

    2002 Ford Focus JVC KD-A815 Sony CDX-GT410u Sony XT-100HD HD Tuner Stock speakers, no amp, no subs

  • "More stations are coming online with HD Radio all the time. And if the local stations haven't upgraded yet, any HD radio you have will continue working as a normal radio. It's too bad you spend so much of your time and energy railing against HD Radio."

    Conversions for AM-HD and FM-HD have all but stalled - some broadcasters are even pulling back on AM-HD and renegotiating their commitments with iNiquity:

    "Editorial: More Than Half Full"

    "AM-HD continues to fight uphill... Yet the growth of AM-HD stations coming on the air appears stalled and we hear murmurings about some broadcasters pulling back on AM-HD or wishing to renegotiate their commitments with Ibiquity."

    http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.13363.html

     Even most broadcasters don't believe in HD Radio, except for the big-boys trying to jam the community-based stations off the dial:

     "NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008

    "There was continued top-down advocacy of HD Radio from David Rehr, but little support from attendees, and even small signs of revolt on the subject. It was good to see the clear disconnect on this issue, as it is forcing radio’s leaders to look more diligently toward viable solutions that fit the demands of today’s consumer, rather than depending on a delegated entity to secure radio’s longevity."

    http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

    "Black Friday for HD Radio"

    "Nor was I surprised when Kurt veered left to discuss - and dismiss - HD Radio. What fascinated me was the reaction. Any room full of broadcasters is full of HD radio doubters, nowadays. But the vibe in this room was remarkable for the eye-rolling and audible snickering that greeted virtually any mention of HD."

    http://www.hear2.com/2008/03/this-weeks-desp.html

    So, why is it too bad that I spend so much time railing against HD Radio? This a typical response of HD Radio boosters, when they can't attack the facts - try and make it personal.

    HD Radio is a farce! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com

  • "CBS buys Last.fm - and what it means"

    "It is inevitable that radio - or aspects of radio - will become personalized... Instantly, the value of a huge 'variety' of channels or stations will be obliterated. Because ultimately nobody wants a hundred diverse channels or stations. They want THEIR one or two or three diverse channels or stations. A hundred stations is what you provide when technology limits you from doing better... Bad news for HD. Bad news for satellite."

    http://www.hear2.com/2007/05/cbs_buys_lastfm.html

    What you don't realize is that consumers don't want a zillion channels of someone else's programming (look how well Satrad is doing) - consumers a only a few channels of their OWN programming. HD and Satrad's businees-models are broken. Now that the Webcaster Settlement Act has passed, which the NAB tried to kill, personalized music services, such as Pandora, Last.fm, Jango, etc. are going to eat HD and Satrad alive. Pandora was the thrid most popular downloaded app on the iPhone, and adds a new listener every two seconds. Look at these Compete graphs for visits to hdradio.com - HD Radio is dead in the minds of consumers:

     http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdradio.com+slacker.com+jango.com/?metric=uv

    http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdradio.com+xmradio.com+sirius.com/?metric=uv

    http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdradio.com+last.fm+pandora.com/?metric=uv



    [edited by: PocketRadio at 2:26 PM (GMT -5) on Tue, Oct 07 2008]

    HD Radio is a farce! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com

  • As far as the little guys shunning HD - I was surprised the WREK 91.1 which is GaTech's campus radio station is broadcasting in HD now.

    It will be interesting to see what WiFi and Internet Radio mobile receivers bring to the table.

    Personally - my biggest problem (besides the range) with HD is that the subchannels are managed by the same Program Directors as the main channels - so mostly the same content in my area.

    Satellite is a good option to me, but I hate the concept of paying a monthly fee for listening to the radio.

    I'm not sure about something like Pandora - I haven't used it personally - but it looks like it allows me to request a song or save a bunch of songs as favorites and find songs by other artists that are similar.  What I tend to like is when the radio plays a song that I already know, but I haven't heard in 3 or 4 years.  Satellite gives me that pretty often, HD occasionally.  I don't know that Pandora has that feature.

    FWIW.


     

    2002 Ford Focus JVC KD-A815 Sony CDX-GT410u Sony XT-100HD HD Tuner Stock speakers, no amp, no subs

  • "Satellite is a good option to me, but I hate the concept of paying a monthly fee for listening to the radio."

     "Reduced quality concerns"

    "Another such conflict arises from the extra free programs available today. iBiquity is seeking FCC approval for conditional access, that is, enabling the extra programs to be available only by paid subscription (on future models of HD Radio). NDS, a maker of digital media encryption technology, has a deal with iBiquity to provide HD Radio with an encrypted content-delivery system called RadioGuard. NDS claims that RadioGuard will provide additional revenue-generating possibilities. iBiquity has stated that RadioGuard will become a standard feature of the HD Radio system. These competing capabilities mean that purchasers of early models of HD Radio have no guarantees of continued broadcasts of either high-quality audio or extra channels. Audio quality will suffer as broadcasters decide to subdivide their streams into extra HD-2 and HD-3 channels. And if the extra channels become subscription channels, they will become invisible to older radios without RadioGuard (and to those unwilling to pay for them)."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio

    The real scam is that if iNiquity gets RadioGuard approved, then HD Radio will no longer be free, and the HD radios that you have sold will be antiquated, requiring yet another round of purchases, just as what happened after multicasting came out.

    HD Radio is a farce! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com

  • Sorta makes you want to buy an HD radio just for spite, dunnit?